Pupo: “I live with my wife Anna and my lover Patricia, but those who envy me are wrong”


Pupo: “I live with my wife Anna and my lover Patricia, but those who envy me are wrong”
Written by aquitodovale

from Mario Luzzatto Fegiz

The singer, born Enzo Ghinazzi: «I lied a lot and took away dignity from the women who were close to me. Instead they taught me loyalty. I do not wish my daughters such a thing ». Addiction: «At 25 I was a billionaire, then gambling debts».

Is there any of the deadly sins you don’t have?

“(laughs) They are like the seven kings of rome. It’s hard to remember them all. So I don’t have envy. Clearly I wanted the woman of others. I have often cheated. Then I go strong with pride. Yes, proud and arrogant, even if it doesn’t seem like it. Pride has saved me from a lot of attacks that could have undermined my physical and psychological safety. Yes, a little pride does not hurt ».

Pupo, 67, real name Enzo Ghinazzi: when did you discover that you had an artistic gift?

“There wasn’t a specific time. From an early age I felt attracted to the show. When I was five my father made me perform at the wheat threshing. I would place myself on the large food tables and sing Celentano’s songs. I felt comfortable on that stage. I had the feeling that I was in the right place. I was not embarrassed. On the contrary. I was waiting for them to ask me to perform … In high school I had a teacher who had a defect and I imitated her. Everyone laughed. In short, I was a jester by vocation. Then I started playing because everyone in my family was inclined to music. There was one uncle in particular who played the flute and saxophone very well. Slowly I realized that this could be my destiny and that my job was to put on a show not necessarily by singing. I am now in front of my white piano. There are also guitars. All instruments that I learned to play on my own. Never had a teacher. ‘

So he can’t read music?

“Yes, I can read it. I also studied music at school. I can read it like a novice child. In short, I stop at the abc of the pentagram ».

For several decades Enzo Ghinazzi has lived with his wife (Anna) and lover (Patricia) in a menage a trois that many envy him. He had a passion for gambling and women and often found himself cornered by usurers.

“You say they envy me. They hurt. It is a path that I did not choose. Because it is difficult. There is suffering. It’s too easy to dismiss it like that. I’m 67 today, my wife Anna is almost 70, Patricia is 62. I have been 50 with his wife, 33 with his lover. And do you think it was a simple thing? Or that I can recommend a pluri-loving relationship like mine to my three daughters or anyone else? But I don’t even think about it. I was saying: wasted envy. Like that of those who envy Berlusconi, the president of the United States or the billionaires and know nothing about what it means to face paths of this kind … Then life is also luck, not just skill. I do not regret my sentimental path that today would be easier to deal with. I dealt with two special women. I’m not the special one, it’s them. “

Is it on the right path today?

“After having made a lot of mistakes and after having told a lot of nonsense, after having lied so much, after having deprived the dignity of the women who have been around me, here I am improved by these two women. They taught me loyalty. “

Did you always have your own way in music too?

«My goal, which I have never publicly confessed, was and is to stay in the middle of the table. In Serie A, of course. But in the middle of the table. That place where no one pisses you off, where you feel good. And you can do whatever you like. Without giving too much attention. In my case something went wrong and I lived in the spotlight ».

Let’s go back to polygamy.

«Polygamy is a widespread reality, prevalent on the planet. Our culture, education and religion prevent us from being polygamous. I have paid and I am paying the consequences of these choices of mine made in the light of the sun ».

You have revealed yourself in two books: «The Confession» and «Banco solo! Diary of a player called Pupo ».

«My life has been eventful on a human and artistic level. I haven’t written any major songs after the 70s-80s hits like Chocolate ice cream And Over U.S. I only wrote a few songs that were mostly media provocations. I mean Italy my love with Emanuele Filiberto in Sanremo in 2010 where I came close to winning. More than making songs, I have lived and my life has placed me in a sort of limbo that is unique in Italy. My life has become a true artistic path ».

Why does it work in concerts?

«I’m about to start a tour that will touch the whole world in two years. I will finally have the chance to play live on stage. And do you know why all the concerts are already sold out? Not just to hear those ten very well known and popular songs. No. The audience comes to hear my life. In addition to the music there are films and my daughter (Clara, 30) singing with a beautiful voice. Together we tell our particular family story. People appreciate ».

Do you like to show yourself?

«I do not like to take the chair. But in a certain way, yes. I am a survivor. I have never been a trivial person. By the way, he called me Amadeus an hour ago. I wrote to him at the end of January: “Yours will be the Festival of records”. Only yesterday he answered me: “Are you a seer?” ».

From your privileged observatory, how did you see the world and music change?

“I’ve been on the square for fifty years. And I say we’re doing badly. On the cultural front we are in full involution, a truly worrying run-up to ignorance ».

In 1989 there was a rumor of his non-suicide. It’s true?

“Yup. I was returning from the Venice Casino and was on a characteristic viaduct on the border between Emilia and Tuscany. The bank massacred me for an overdraft of 70 million lire. I had a credit of 50 million from the Venice casino. And there were also the usurers. So I went there to borrow the money and silence the bank. I didn’t win, but I lost another 50 million and made my situation worse. As I drove back in my jaguar, I reflected on my condition as a … rich in debt. So I parked in the small hard shoulder of the viaduct with the idea of ​​ending it all. I was shocked, I saw no way out. It was night, between Saturday and Sunday, and the trucks did not circulate. All but one: the one that touched me to a millimeter. The blast moved the car a few centimeters and brought me back to reason ».

Any plans beyond the tour?

“I have decided to suspend my television appearances. In this TV I find myself very little. Many go there to appear saying banalities. It has become too cannibal, too an end in itself, self-referential. If I go on TV I have to have something interesting to tell. What TV pays for doesn’t change my life. I’m not interested in increasing my popularity. These theaters with legendary artists such as Bobby Solo or Fausto Leali are useful only for the program and little and nothing for those who participate. So no TV unless it is a TV show that is stimulating and enjoyable. But for now he doesn’t talk about it ».

Decisive encounters in your life?

“Freddy Naggiar, the owner of Baby Records. He imagined me and then built me. But he was wrong in underestimating my duration. He dumped me in 1982. He taught me the value of suffering. The meeting with my current manager was fundamental: Umberto Chiaramonte. With him, 25 years ago, we began a difficult (for some insiders impossible) work of artistic repositioning. Given the results, I would say that Umberto was good. And then Gianni Morandi who, in addition to helping me financially, also often insulted and scrambled me by throwing me in my face what I was: a little good, a criminal because I betrayed the expectations of my mother and my friends. I, him, our accountant Oliviero Franceschi and Gianmarco Mazzi were in partnership. A company that ran my business and that today belongs totally to me “.

What would he do and not do it again?

«Seeing the final result I would do it all again. Suffering and errors included. At 25 I was a billionaire. A few years later I was in debt for 7 billion. Gambling, bad investments. I found myself in a whirlwind. I’m here to tell it, but it was a miracle. Unrepeatable”.

Relations with daughters?

«Beautiful. How much love I get from my family! And then daughters and stepdaughter have a wonderful relationship with each other. You think that my grandson Matteo (8 years old), Valentina’s son, calls both Anna and Patricia grandmother. I have two other grandchildren, Leonardo (22 years old) and Viola (12), children of Ilaria, my eldest daughter. An extended family ante litteram ».

You were one of the founders of the National Singers …

«Yes, but it is an experience now closed. Before it was the big names of the song who enlightened the team, now it is the singers who gain popularity from this brand ».

Swallowed toads?

«Second place in Sanremo with Emanuele Filiberto. We actually won, but something strange happened in the final vote of the top three. I can’t name the people I talked to in those moments. The real winners were us. And I had a big debt of gratitude with Rai with which I was working very well and I didn’t want to mess up ».

What about the ongoing war in countries that you know well?

“He’s holding horrible images of death and destruction in our minds.”

June 14, 2022 (change June 14, 2022 | 07:17)

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